Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/12/1997 03:05 PM House HES

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               JOINT HOUSE/SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION                            
                   AND SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                               
                         February 12, 1997                                     
                             3:05 p.m.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
 HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Representative Con Bunde, Chairman                                            
 Representative Joe Green Vice Chairman                                        
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
 Representative Tom Brice                                                      
 Representative Allen Kemplen                                                  
 Representative Fred Dyson                                                     
                                                                               
 HOUSE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                          
                                                                               
 Representative Al Vezey                                                       
                                                                               
 SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                        
                                                                               
 Senator Gary Wilken, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Lyda Green                                                            
 Senator Jerry Ward                                                            
                                                                               
 SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
                                                                               
 OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 Alaska Disability Policy Summit Progress Report                               
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 NANCY DODGE, Chairman                                                         
 Governor's Council on Disabilities                                            
   and Special Education                                                       
 3010 Davis Road, Number B16                                                   
 Anchorage, Alaska 99709                                                       
 Telephone:  Not provided                                                      
                                                                               
 KATHY PRIVRATSKY                                                              
 Assistive Technologies of                                                     
   Alaska Advisory Council                                                     
 7201 Montagne Circle                                                          
 Anchorage, Alaska 99507                                                       
 Telephone:  (907) 333-2669                                                    
                                                                               
 JERRY KAINULAINEN                                                             
 Assistive Technologies of                                                     
   Alaska Advisory Council                                                     
 P.O. Box 1629                                                                 
 Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                           
 Telephone:  (907) 747-4703                                                    
                                                                               
 JENNIFER REYNOLDS                                                             
 Governor's Council on Disabilities                                            
   and Special Education                                                       
 1201 Brock Road                                                               
 North Pole, Alaska 99705                                                      
 Telephone:  Not provided                                                      
                                                                               
 SUSAN LOUDON                                                                  
 Governor's Council on Disabilities                                            
   and Special Education                                                       
 118 Kathryn Avenue                                                            
 Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                       
 Telephone:  Not provided                                                      
                                                                               
 MARI JO PARKS                                                                 
 Governor's Council on Disabilities                                            
   and Special Education                                                       
 P.O. Box 1683                                                                 
 Palmer, Alaska 99645                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 745-4536                                                    
                                                                               
 DON BRANDON, Chairman                                                         
 Governor's Committee on Employment                                            
   of People with Disabilities                                                 
 Office of Human Resources                                                     
 P.O. Box 755140                                                               
 Fairbanks, Alaska 99775-5410                                                  
 Telephone:  (907) 451-9007                                                    
                                                                               
 DAVID LEVY                                                                    
 State Independent Living Council                                              
 2634 Forest Park Drive                                                        
 Anchorage, Alaska 99517                                                       
 Telephone:  (907) 563-2984                                                    
                                                                               
 JERIE BEST                                                                    
 State Independent Living Council                                              
 P.O. Box 426                                                                  
 Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                        
 Telephone:  Not provided                                                      
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-12, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GARY WILKEN called the Joint House and Senate Health,                
 Education and Social Services (HESS) Committees to order at 3:05              
 p.m. and welcomed everyone to the joint meeting.                              
                                                                               
 ALASKA DISABILITY POLICY SUMMIT PROGRESS REPORT                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILKEN indicated the committees would hear the Alaska                
 Disability Policy Summit Progress Report.                                     
                                                                               
 NANCY DODGE, Chairman, Governor's Council on Disabilities and                 
 Special Education, said that she was chosen to introduce the other            
 four chairmen and the groups they serve.  She said all five of the            
 groups are established under state and federal statutes with a                
 specific role of advising the legislature and departments about the           
 issues that impact people with disabilities in their families.                
                                                                               
 MS. DODGE pointed out that the other four groups are:  Governor's             
 Committee on Employment of People with Disabilities with Don                  
 Brandon, Chairman; State Independent Living Council with Joy Anna             
 Geisler, Acting Chairman; the State Rehabilitation Advisory Council           
 with Thor Williams, Chairman; and Assistive Technologies of Alaska            
 Advisory Council with Kathy Privratsky, Chairman.                             
                                                                               
 MS. DODGE said yesterday, they conducted the first Alaska                     
 disability summit focusing on public policies in the areas of                 
 community inclusion and support, health care, education,                      
 employment, housing and transportation.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 81                                                                     
                                                                               
 KATHY PRIVRATSKY, Assistive Technologies of Alaska Advisory                   
 Council, said as long as people with disabilities remain                      
 segregated, nondisabled people do not get to know them and continue           
 to believe that special training and clinical certification are               
 needed to support them in their communities.                                  
                                                                               
 MS. PRIVRATSKY said inclusion helps communities and citizens to               
 realize they have the capacity to be with, befriend, care about,              
 work along side, and learn with and from people with disabilities.            
 Inclusion also enables people with disabilities to be full                    
 contributors to their communities.                                            
                                                                               
 MS. PRIVRATSKY explained physical accessibility and access to                 
 transportation may be all that is needed for many persons with                
 disabilities to participate in their communities.  Some people with           
 disabilities may need individualized supports such as personal                
 assistance services or on-the-job training and support.                       
                                                                               
 MS. PRIVRATSKY said some people with disabilities may need                    
 assistive technologies such as teletypewriters (TTYs), voice                  
 synthesizers, grab bars or Braille keyboards to be included in                
 their communities.  Some families of people with disabilities may             
 need support and resources such as respite care or in-home training           
 in order for the family member with a disability to continue living           
 at home.  If community inclusion and support are in place, state              
 activities around health care, education, employment, housing and             
 transportation can address and meet the needs of people with                  
 disabilities.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 111                                                                    
                                                                               
 JERRY KAINULAINEN, Assistive Technologies of Alaska Advisory                  
 Council, noted some possible legislative solutions to the                     
 presentation Ms. Privratsky just gave.  He urged the legislature to           
 provide funding to ensure state compliance with the American with             
 Disabilities Act (ADA), to pass a lemon law for assistive                     
 technology devices and equipment, enact puppy guide-dog                       
 legislation, designate American sign language as a core curriculum            
 requirement for another language under Bachelor of Arts                       
 requirements at all University of Alaska campuses, ensure that all            
 Gavel-to-Gavel broadcasts are close captioned, provide adequate               
 funding for services such as respite, in-home training, infant                
 learning, orientation and mobility for the blind, interpreters for            
 the deaf and personal assistance services.                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE TOM BRICE referred to the lemon law and asked if,              
 for instance, a wheelchair breaks down that was just purchased,               
 when would Medicaid buy a new chair.                                          
                                                                               
 MR. KAINULAINEN replied once every five years Medicaid would buy a            
 new wheelchair.  If a piece of equipment is defective and can't be            
 repaired, they would not replace it for five years.                           
                                                                               
 SENATOR LYDA GREEN asked him to clarify the guide-dog legislation.            
                                                                               
 MR. KAINULAINEN replied that the ADA provides for non-                        
 discrimination for people who have service animals for entrance               
 into restaurant facilities, et cetera. and there has been some                
 problems with some of the animals in their training, especially               
 when they are puppies that haven't been certified.                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR GREEN asked if there are universities and schools that                
 accept sign language as a substitute for a recognized foreign                 
 language requirement.                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. KAINULAINEN replied that they want to require it to be offered,           
 not make it a requirement.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 243                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ALLEN KEMPLEN asked Mr. Kainulainen if his                     
 organization noticed any differences about life in the far North              
 for people in wheelchairs, for instance, people who sometimes have            
 to make their way in the streets because sidewalks aren't shoveled.           
                                                                               
 MS. DODGE said she thought the Transportation Committees would be             
 addressing that issue.  She added that you can't get onto                     
 sidewalks, into buses, into lift vans, et cetera.                             
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked where the ADA falls short in reference to the              
 Alaskan way-of-life.                                                          
                                                                               
 MS. DODGE replied that there are so many areas that we are not in             
 compliance on that it would take a long time.                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD noted that he has been working with the DOT/PF on the            
 ferry system which has new elevators on the smaller vessels and on            
 ports and harbors and Prince of Wales Island.  Even with the lack             
 of regulations, he said, they are doing an excellent job of                   
 addressing accessibility.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 319                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. JENNIFER REYNOLDS, Governor's Council on Disabilities and                 
 Special Education, said she is a parent of a child with a                     
 disability.  These are some thoughts she has collected from people            
 from all over the state.  Alaskans with disabilities have                     
 identified the lack of adequate health care and insurance as a                
 major barrier to independent living and employment.  The high cost            
 of health insurance means that some people with disabilities go               
 without health insurance.  Some parents have had to relinquish                
 custody of their children to the state to get medical coverage for            
 them until a Medicaid waiver can be obtained.  Although many people           
 with disabilities have some private health insurance, few have                
 adequate coverage that they can depend on to meet their needs,                
 given preexisting condition exclusions, minimal benefit packages              
 and benefit caps.                                                             
                                                                               
 MS. REYNOLDS explained the common needs of people with disabilities           
 for durable medical equipment, assistive technology and personal              
 assistance services are rarely fully covered.  Many Alaskans with             
 disabilities depend on public sector funding for health care;                 
 access to adequate and affordable health insurance is a major                 
 barrier to employment, since public health insurance is generally             
 only available to people who are not working.  Funding for                    
 eyeglasses, hearing aids, acute dental care and occupational                  
 therapy is not available to adults with disabilities who depend on            
 Medicaid for their health care needs.                                         
                                                                               
 SUSAN LOUDON, Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special                  
 Education, said she has a daughter who has developmental                      
 disabilities.  She introduced some possible legislative solutions             
 to the problems just stated.  The first is to restore Medicaid                
 funding for vision, hearing, acute dental and occupational therapy            
 services for adults.                                                          
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON said the second is to enact legislation for private                
 insurance coverage that limits preexisting condition exclusions,              
 improves portability and is affordable.                                       
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON explained the third is to ensure that whatever health              
 care reform is implemented in Alaska includes the following                   
 features:  Adequate consumer information; quality standards;                  
 adequate appeal and grievance procedures; and consumer governance.            
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON said the forth is to re-prioritize Medicaid options list           
 to emphasize home and community-based services.                               
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON said the fifth is to ensure that savings from the                  
 closure of the Harborview Developmental Center and the downsizing             
 of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute are reinvested in home and                
 community-based services for people with developmental disabilities           
 and/or severe mental illness.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 385                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE FRED DYSON asked if she had some model legislation             
 from other states that could help them get started.                           
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON said she believed there was and they would be happy to             
 find it for the committee.                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said he had just spoken with a person who told           
 him that it took about $2,000 for the state to get him a pair of              
 sweat pants with zippers on the outside with big enough rings so              
 that he could dress himself.  It took seven visits with whomever it           
 was he had to interface with in the state in order to get a pair of           
 pants that cost $150.  He asked if that was a typical problem and             
 if they could easily solve that type of problem.                              
                                                                               
 MS. REYNOLDS replied that as consumers interface with state                   
 government more, it is becoming more family friendly.  She said she           
 would like to hear from the man he talked with to see what the                
 policy problems were and added that there are a number of problems            
 similar to that.                                                              
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE DYSON said he understood the Administration was                
 revising the purchasing procedures within the state to address                
 issues like this and he wanted feedback from them on it.                      
                                                                               
 Number 413                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE said he wanted to set the record straight            
 - that the legislature sets the budget and it's the                           
 Administration's choice to take away the eyeglasses and the hearing           
 aids.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 428                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR GREEN asked if the Kennedy/Kassenbaum legislation would               
 impact Ms. Loudon's second concern of private insurance coverage              
 limiting the preexisting condition exclusion.                                 
                                                                               
 MS. LOUDON said it should.  She added that maybe the Administration           
 did this, but people with disabilities have no other resources and            
 are always working towards going forward in their lives.  If their            
 glasses break or if they need new ones, it takes hundreds of                  
 dollars which they don't have.  She strongly urged that insurance             
 coverage be restored.                                                         
                                                                               
 MS. REYNOLDS commented that the Mental Health Trust Authority put             
 up $1.5 million in its budget to bolster the state's part which she           
 thought showed very good faith.                                               
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE said he sat on the budget subcommittee under             
 the Hickel Administration when that happened and they had asked               
 what options would fall off the table if Medicaid was cut.  He                
 wanted to clarify that it was a policy decision that was made by              
 the legislative budget subcommittee in the Hickel Administration              
 for FY95.                                                                     
                                                                               
 MARI JO PARKS, Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special                 
 Education, said she was in attendance to speak on education and had           
 a 25-year old mentally retarded woman with her.  She said she had             
 gone through the education system with enough funding so she was              
 able to lead a full life.  As a child, she was able to get into               
 infant learning programs to get the kind of stimulation she needed            
 to enhance her skills.  When she entered school at age three she              
 was able to get the physical and speech therapy, and other academic           
 assistance she needed.  As she entered kindergarten, she entered              
 into a school district which gave her a free and appropriate public           
 education.  The individual education plans that were written for              
 her, and then followed through with, helped lead her into a life              
 knowing how to read and write, how to speak for herself and to                
 interact with other students.  The people who were with her learned           
 also.  The cost incurred from the inclusionary setting she was in             
 was there, because the teachers needed to be trained.  In fact, the           
 entire school system needed to learn about how to deal with her and           
 her disabilities.  Training is a very essential part to make                  
 inclusion work.  Education was the key that changed her life and              
 the life of her family and society.                                           
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS indicated she was in attendance to ask the legislators to           
 support the changes to the education foundation funding formula               
 which would decrease the over-identification of special education             
 students and encourage prevention and early intervention activities           
 in schools.  It will also begin to provide the training needed by             
 educators.                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS commented that American sign language is a program they             
 would like to be accepted as equal curriculum standards for other             
 requirements such as a foreign language or an English program in              
 the Bachelor of Arts degrees.  Learning how to communicate with one           
 another takes many different forms.                                           
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked Ms. Parks to explain "over-                        
 identification."                                                              
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS responded that as we have tied money to students and                
 identification of a disability, there have been places where people           
 have been able to over-identify by taking certain tests and                   
 qualifying.  The Department of Education would like to address that           
 problem perhaps by changing the funding formula and the process by            
 which the department allocates monies for special education.                  
                                                                               
 Number 533                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN asked if she felt that the amount of money           
 allocated to education is proportionately granted to the teacher              
 and the students themselves or may there be siphons before it gets            
 to them that impair the quality of education.  Because teachers are           
 required to do more things than just teach, should there be a whole           
 different look given to education?  Maybe teachers should educate,            
 but maybe something else needs to be done with all the social                 
 problems that teachers are facing in schools.                                 
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS said she did feel that there is a strong need to have               
 administrators to deal with the regulations and paper work that               
 have to be monitored.  Taking money away from students is a                   
 mistake; the money has to get to the classroom and meet the needs             
 of every student.  She thought it was important for all agencies to           
 work together as a unified body to enhance students' lives.  She              
 used the COMPASS program as an example.                                       
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked how consistent were special education              
 programs across the state.  He elaborated that the foundation                 
 formula allows for a certain amount of money for children with                
 special needs.  That money is built into the foundation formula and           
 the legislature passes that money to school districts to provide              
 special education programming.  He asked how consistently is that             
 money applied to the various classrooms for special education                 
 across the state, for instance the same for Fairbanks as the                  
 Iditarod school district.                                                     
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS said she couldn't answer that, but people from the                  
 Department of Education could.  She indicated she would research it           
 and get back to him on it.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 573                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR GEORGIANNA LINCOLN said that she represents about 92 small            
 communities throughout Alaska in which she thought there were                 
 special education needs, but not necessarily the resources to deal            
 with those needs.  A lot of that has to do with the transportation            
 system and as long as people with disabilities remain segregated,             
 non-disabled people do not get to know them and continue to believe           
 that special training is required.                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN asked Ms. Parks if she would say it is correct that           
 the resources are generally not there to address individual needs             
 of special education students.                                                
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-12, SIDE B                                                            
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS replied that the resources are differently approached.              
 An example is the Special Education Service Agency which serves all           
 of Alaska rural bush areas to meet the needs of the more severely             
 disabled, but it's on a once a month or twice a month or to meet              
 the needs of the student.  It is not every day contact like her               
 students get.  So it is definitely different.  She explained one of           
 the things the Governor's Council has looked at is trying to make             
 sure that in the education system through the universities that all           
 teachers learn how to work with kids with disabilities.  This                 
 really needs to be expanded so that kids have their needs met by              
 the teacher they see daily.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 582                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. DODGE commented that with the closing of Harborview they are              
 looking at bringing people back into their home communities.                  
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN noted that we don't fare well compared to                
 other states and the country doesn't fare well when we compare our            
 children's scores against many other countries (the U.S. is 14th in           
 the world).  He said clearly there has been a change over the last            
 couple of decades.  He asked if there is a need to look at                    
 alternate types of skills and also asked if the mainstreaming                 
 concept is working, in her estimation.  Is there a need to separate           
 those students who are doing well from those who aren't and then              
 concentrate our efforts on those who are not.                                 
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS replied that she has a very strong bias in favor of                 
 public education.  She has looked at our country's system as well             
 as others and we are getting more for our money today than most               
 countries get. What we are looking at, in many ways, is a different           
 society.  We have a society now where a lot of the support at home            
 and the belief in education is so low that kids are not as                    
 motivated to get education.  That is a major factor that we are               
 facing.                                                                       
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS said that recently they looked at Japan and one of the              
 things that is different at the high school and junior high level             
 is that the students concentrate on small amounts of subjects where           
 our students are dealing with eight subjects a day.  Just that kind           
 of education alone is something that educators are looking at and             
 asking if we are overloading our kids and that's why our test                 
 scores are down.  She said there is room for charter schools, but             
 we don't want to start segregating kids; we want inclusion because            
 everyone benefits from learning together.                                     
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS emphasized that school size might be an issue to look at.           
                                                                               
 Number 550                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said he hears from parents frequently about              
 the difference between mental and physical disabilities.  He asked            
 what he should say to parents that a behavioral problem takes 50              
 percent to 75 percent of the teacher's time while the other 20                
 children have settle for 25 percent of the teacher's time.                    
                                                                               
 MS. PARKS replied that if that is happening, the teacher has not              
 had the proper training and the student is not getting the kind of            
 support they need to make the inclusion situation appropriate.  A             
 teacher needs to be trained to say when she needs the help of an              
 aide to get the student moving along in an appropriate situation so           
 that everyone can learn.  The parents need to be talked to and the            
 student has a right to be there and peer examples work.  Helping              
 the whole classroom resolve the issue of one student taking too               
 much time makes a powerful society and classroom.                             
                                                                               
 Number 533                                                                    
                                                                               
 DON BRANDON, Chairman, Governor's Committee on Employment of People           
 with Disabilities, said that first of all disability is normal.               
 People who experience them are normal people; it's our approach               
 toward dealing with disability that is abnormal.  We have come a              
 long way in our society, but we still have some major barriers to             
 overcome attitudinally in responding to people with disabilities.             
 He said that 66 percent of Alaskans with disabilities are                     
 unemployed or underemployed.                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON said he wanted the committee to remember four things              
 which are attitude, access, accommodation and appropriate health              
 care coverage.  He thought if they could remember those four words,           
 they could address some of the employment issues of people with               
 disabilities.  He explained that because of our separate attitude,            
 we build facilities that are not accessible.                                  
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON said access to a working environment is denied.                   
 However, accommodation is becoming more a more prominent issue                
 because of the Employment of Americans with Disabilities Act.                 
 Eighty-eight percent of the costs for accommodating a person with             
 a severe disability costs less than $1,000.  Fourthly, when you               
 look at some of the barriers to employment, you have to look at               
 appropriate health care coverage.                                             
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON explained some legislative solutions he proposes would            
 be to enact legislation for private insurance coverage that limits            
 preexisting condition exclusions, improves the transportability and           
 affordability of health care coverage for people who are working;             
 ensure that adequate health care and long term supports, including            
 personal assistance services and assistive technology, are                    
 available to people with disabilities who are employed, seeking               
 employment or changing jobs.  Provide funding to enforce the                  
 Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and establish a guaranteed              
 business loan program to promote entrepreneurship by people with              
 disabilities.                                                                 
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON noted that special consideration was given to the state           
 of Alaska and the arctic wilderness environment when ADA was                  
 passed.  Title 5 of ADA requires a wilderness study looking at                
 parks and recreation facilities.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 488                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked how the degree of disability is                    
 determined considering there is such a tremendous spectrum.                   
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON said they have based the definition of disability on              
 the functional limitation that a disease or impairment causes on an           
 individual who experiences the disability.                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked how real is the loss of medical coverage           
 to a person with a disability as a barrier to employment.                     
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON answered that it is real significant because many times           
 the job the person with a disability is applying for does not come            
 with the health benefit coverages that are necessary to maintain a            
 person's existence; that is the barrier of finding the right job.             
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked him to expand on loan opportunities.                       
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON said that now there is nothing available, but he                  
 envisions a program, within state government which has been talked            
 about in the legislature over the last ten years.  He used the                
 example of an electrician who had his arm blown off and had                   
 paralysis in some lower parts of his body.  When he became                    
 medically stable and able to go to work, job opportunities would              
 come open and he would go and apply for them, but the jobs would be           
 given to people who were able-bodied.  This went on for two years.            
 So he sat down in his garage and started thinking about what he               
 could do to survive and he started selling T-shirts out of his own            
 garage.  In the last 15 years he has become the largest producer of           
 specialty advertising in Interior Alaska.  He said that many people           
 with disabilities have the ability to produce a business that is              
 successful for them.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 421                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN PORTER asked if he knew what was happening to            
 the bill the legislature passed last year requiring the state to              
 guarantee the loan programs for assistive technology.                         
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON replied that that loan program is currently available             
 now.                                                                          
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked what the legislature could do to make              
 government more consumer friendly.                                            
                                                                               
 MR. BRANDON said he didn't know that it was unfriendly, but                   
 indicated Duane French, Director, Vocational Rehabilitation, could            
 give him the information.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 408                                                                    
                                                                               
 DAVID LEVY, State Independent Living Council, said he would be                
 speaking about housing issues and that people want at least two               
 things in life, a phone call from Ed McMann saying they won the $10           
 million sweepstakes and the other is access to affordable housing.            
 He suggested they look at fully funding the Alaska Housing Finance            
 Corporation, specifically to include $2.5 million in special needs            
 housing and $750,000 in homeless services.  It has been estimated             
 that 40 percent of homeless individuals in the state of Alaska                
 experience some form of a disability.                                         
                                                                               
 MR. LEVY said secondly, he suggests for them to provide some                  
 direction and support to the AHFC to provide some grant writing and           
 other technical skills to service providers so they can figure out            
 how to bring more federal dollars into the state to utilize as a              
 match. Thirdly, they should target state housing dollars towards              
 rural communities.  Finally, they should amend Alaska Housing                 
 Finance Corporation statutes and establish a down payment program             
 that would allow people with disabilities to own their own homes or           
 remain in their existing homes.                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked Mr. Levy he had taken these requests to the AHFC           
 Board.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MR. LEVY replied that they have had initial discussions with them             
 and they expressed some interest.  He said they are continuing to             
 work with them to make a joint proposal to the legislature, both              
 administratively and legislatively.                                           
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN said in Scandinavia there is a concept of              
 co-housing where people join forces and pool their abilities to               
 support one another in a home environment and asked if our disabled           
 community had looked at.                                                      
                                                                               
 MR. LEVY said he had read some material on this and he would be               
 happy to get more information for the committees on it and thought            
 it would be very interesting to explore.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 358                                                                    
                                                                               
 JERIE BEST, State Independent Living Council, fitting together a              
 piece of her wheelchair, said she wanted to illustrate that until             
 you have been in a wheelchair and have gone into a public restroom            
 in an airport or a ferry and had to take your wheelchair apart and            
 then get stuck and rescued - not fully clothed, you haven't really            
 lived.  She said that people with disabilities have to make                   
 themselves fit into a situation which isn't always the best answer.           
                                                                               
 MS. BEST pointed out accessible transportation is one of the keys             
 to community inclusion.  She said a lot of improvement has been               
 made over the last five years and over the last year, substantial             
 improvements have been made in the transportation system.  She said           
 that a lot of agencies have been funded to buy vans, but they only            
 serve their own clientele and won't stretch the rules.                        
                                                                               
 MS. BEST said a minimum of four DOT/PF people came to their summit            
 and that was another step in the right direction.  She said only a            
 few Alaskan communities have public transportation and even there             
 it's limited because they have to be within one-half of a mile of             
 the corridor.  There are eligibility restrictions and limited hours           
 of service and there are very few companies that provide accessible           
 transportation.                                                               
                                                                               
 MS. BEST said in addition to the elimination of physical barriers,            
 transportation access for people with disabilities includes the               
 removal of structural, communication and environmental barriers.              
 She mentioned that there are still a few curbs that need to be                
 moved.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MS. BEST explained expanded visual access such as signage,                    
 electronic message boards and teletypewriters are needed for the              
 hearing impaired so they can contact a lot of the transportation              
 facilities.  They also need auditorial detectable warnings as well            
 as some braille which is an easy accommodation, but they need to be           
 made policies and priorities.                                                 
                                                                               
 MS. BEST said some legislative solutions were to provide additional           
 operating and capital funds, including flexible capital funds for             
 maintenance and operations, in order to expand public transit in              
 Alaska and to fund more accessible rural transit services and other           
 forms of rural transportation for both the general public and                 
 people with disabilities.                                                     
                                                                               
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 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked if it was easy for her to access                   
 transportation once she arrived in Juneau.                                    
                                                                               
 MS. BEST replied that Juneau is really great because several                  
 agencies have gotten together.  Under ADA, you can apply for an ADA           
 paratransit card.  This means you can go any place and ride the               
 paratransit system.                                                           
                                                                               
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 REPRESENTATIVE KEMPLEN said there is the issue of money and being             
 able to fund transportation for people.  Other northern communities           
 create quality living environments for all members of their society           
 and recognize it is a lot more efficient and cost effective if they           
 can concentrate their dollars into smaller areas.  He thought it              
 would be a lot easier to maintain an urban environment in a                   
 concentrated area.                                                            
                                                                               
 MS. BEST replied that that would not be giving her free choices and           
 America is about free choice.  If she makes the choice to live in             
 south Anchorage she should have the same access as downtown                   
 Anchorage.  She, as a disabled person, should not be forced to live           
 in an environment that is more conducive to her disability.  Ms.              
 Best stated disabled people want to be a part of everyone else's              
 lives.                                                                        
                                                                               
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 SENATOR WARD noted that not all hotels were handicapped accessible.           
 He said about four years ago there was a special ordinance for five           
 cabs that were handicapped permitted and asked her if she knew                
 anything about it.                                                            
                                                                               
 MS. BEST replied that she had talked with Guy (Indisc.) who owns              
 Alaska Cab and he has no more handicapped accessible cabs because             
 they had worn themselves out and he didn't have the funds available           
 to purchase any more.                                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked if there were other places that did that.                  
                                                                               
 MS. BEST said she has some demonstration projects and other                   
 information that she would be glad to forward to him.                         
                                                                               
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 MS. DODGE thanked the committee on behalf of everyone for allowing            
 them to speak to the committee today.  She said they would be                 
 answering their questions within the next few weeks and would                 
 forward them a copy of yesterday's summit report.  She said they              
 have a state number which is 269-8990.                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILKEN said that it had been a great meeting and the                 
 legislature had a plan to balance the budget over the next four               
 years.  He didn't want them to lose confidence in what they can do.           
 He said the government is not going to pass the pain down to their            
 customers, but send it up the ladder.  He asked them to let the               
 legislature know if they felt they were being pinpointed to balance           
 the budget.  He congratulated them on their summit and the way they           
 have presented their ideas.                                                   
                                                                               
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILKEN then adjourned the meeting at 4:40 p.m.                       
                                                                               

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